If the Church is built upon the foundation of apostles and prophets. Why are so many trying to build it on the foundation of pastors?

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Possible Points of Considerations:

  • There’s only one church and Jesus is it’s Chief Cornerstone.
  • There’s only one foundation to the church. 
  • We can’t lay foundations over foundations.
  • Prophets & Apostles are no longer needed.
  • Someone’s got to step in.
  • The Bible has been completed and there’s no more special revelation.
  • They existed in their time for a specific task which has been completed.

Counterpoints

  • The Church has multiple foundations (Romans 15:20)
  • The Church was “being built up” (Ephesians 2:20) and “is still being fitted together” (Ephesians 2:21)
  • Christ “gave” (past tense) the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, “with a view to” (future tense) equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. (Ephesians 4:11,12,13)
  • The church grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work. (Ephesians 4:16)

 

So, If the Church is built upon the foundation of apostles and prophets.  Why are so many trying to build it on the foundation of pastors?

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    1. Good question Miguel.

      Let’s see…how about pride?

      In my opinion the whole pastoral system of leadership today is based on pride. I am not saying every pastor is proud.

      The SYSTEM of pastoral leadership is the exaltation of one man above his fellows.

      Satan fell through a desire to exalt self and he is part and parcel of every attempt to exalt self as opposed to exalting Christ through the whole Body.

      How the pastoral gift rose up to become THE face of today’s church practice is beyond me.

      What’s worse is that most just go right along with it since it fits quite nicely into a self-centered lifestyle that is content with letting a “professional” do his thing Sunday after Sunday.

      Carlos


    2. Another point to consider: What if the case is that the foundation which was set has been eroded since the time of the first emissaries resulting in a house on its way to being condemned unless its foundations are restored around the genuine cornerstone?

      I would say that the various systems found in Roman Catholicism, Protestant sects, Orthodox, and the obviously deviant sects are a result of the foundations being chopped away.


    3. I sometimes wonder if it’s actually still built on apostles and prophets but they just have to have the job title of pastor. I never believe anyone’s job title :). I think if you look at many growing churches you’d see that their senior leaders are probably more apostolic and/or prophetic than pastoral. Much of the frustration and confusion in those churches probably also comes from those guys having the wrong job title and people’s pastoral expectations. Not saying that big western churches are the best thing to emulate either, just that I suspect this is actually happening more than we acknowledge in the places where kingdom expansion is also happening.


    4. Was wondering…

      You ask…
      “If the Church is built upon the foundation of apostles and prophets.
      Why are so many trying to build it on the foundation of pastors?”

      What if *The Foundation* of WE, His Ekklesia, His Church, His Called Out Ones, His Disciples, His Kings and Priests is “Jesus Christ?” And NOT “apostles and prophets?” And, NOT “pastors?”

      Many today, seem to point to “apostles and prophets” as *The Foundation.*

      But, Paul, an apostle, a master builder, says, “Jesus Christ,” is *The Foundation* that he has laid. And, NO man can lay a foundation other than the “ONE” which is laid. Jesus Christ. 1 Cor 3:9-10 NASB

      When WE, His Disciples, His Ekklesia, His Church, His Building, His Called Out Ones, read, understand, acknowledge *The Foundation* in these two verses. Eph 2:20, and 1 Cor 3:9-11, as “ONE” and the same…

      Wouldn’t *The Foundation* in Eph 2:20, be “Jesus Christ?”
      Who is also *The Corner Stone?*
      To match *The Foundation* in 1 Cor 3:9-11, “Jesus Christ?”
      Which Paul, an apostle, and a master builder, laid?

      And now the two verses are consistant?
      *The “ONE” Foundation,* in both, Eph 2:20, and 1 Cor 3:9-11, is “Jesus Christ?”

      1 Cor 3:9-11 KJV
      9 For we are labourers together with God:
      “ye” are God’s husbandry, “ye” are God’s building.
      10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me,
      as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid *The Foundation,*
      and another buildeth thereon.
      But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
      11 For other foundation can NO man lay than that is laid,
      which is” Jesus Christ.”

      Eph 2:19-22 NKJAV (New King James Amos Version)
      19 – Now therefore “ye” are no more strangers and foreigners,
      but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

      20 a – And (“ye”) are built upon the foundation
      of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ
      20 b – Himself being the chief corner stone;

      21 – In whom all the building fitly framed together
      groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
      22 – In whom ye also are builded together
      for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
      ————

      So, could it be? WE, His Ekklesia, His Church, His Disciples, His Building?
      “are builded together for an habitation of God?”
      And, “Jesus Christ” is *The “ONE” Foundation?* *Our Foundation?*

      And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:
      them also I must bring, and they shall “hear My voice; “
      and there shall be “ONE” fold, and “ONE” shepherd.
      John 10:16

      One Voice – One Fold – One Shepherd – One Foundation

      {{{{{{ Jesus }}}}}}

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